Penn State @ Ohio State Football Gamethread
by Tyler T. on Nov 19, 2011 3:00 PM EST
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PrintPenn St. Nittany Lions at Ohio St. Buckeyes, Nov 19, 2011 3:30 PM EST
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Ohio State Buckeyes (6-4) Head Coach: Luke Fickell 2010 Record: Vacated Offensive Style: Pistol, Power, Maybe? Defensive Style: 4-3 Under, Zone-Blitz |
Ohio State vs. Penn StateLocation: Ohio Stadium Date: Saturday, November 19th Time: 3:30 P.M. EST Television: ABC/ESPN2
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Game Notes:
- As if there were any doubt, Mike McQueary remains on administrative leave and will not travel with the NIttany Lions to Columbus.
- Ryan Shazier will start in place of Andrew Sweat. The true freshman flies around and makes plays, but he also makes mistakes. It will be interesting to see how he holds up.
- J.B. Shugarts may play, but his status is still uncertain. One thing is clear, true freshman Antonio Underwood cannot start in his place again. Against Purdue's mediocre defensive line, Underwood was a sieve. Against Penn State's talented defensive line, the results will be worse.
- After leaving last weekend's game with an injury, defensive tackle Johnathon Hankins is back.
- DeVier Posey returns. Our passing game is rudimentary and ineffective, but Posey's presence can do nothing but improve it.
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Tyler, do you have insight as to why we like to line Big Hank up as a DE on early downs? It seems like they like a certain set of DL personnel on the field against the run but wouldn’t it make more sense to put one of the smaller guys outside and Hank inside?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
My guess here, Penn State likes to run outside zone and stretch, so Heacock/Fickell wanted the best run defenders on the outside.
Also, Hankins may be the second best pass-rusher on this team now, with Nathan Williams’ injury.
…and of course they are lining him up inside now.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Actually, after looking at it some more, they might be setting Simon to the weakside and having the other three shift left or right as needed to set the front. Simon flips, and the other three just scoot left or right, so SDE and the weakside DT are more or less the same position. Hank looks to be in that position to me.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Am I the only one slightly dissappointed with Travis Howard’s season?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
nope. he is getting burned repeatedly.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 3:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Cmon guys, that’s a direct snap to the back. Gotta expect run and untouched up the middle isn’t going to cut it.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I can see how they would be disappointed, but they still have so much to play for. If only their own careers, I would think they would be giving their all.
Looks like it was Shazier’s youth that was the problem on that play, two 3-techs in the formation and he stayed with the outside option (looked like the SS had the outside run lane to me) instead of going inside.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
And if Fickell has already lost this team, why don’t we just hire Urban right away?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
There have been some rumblings that exactly that plan is being considered. We may see a self-instituted bowl ban this season, and an immediate Meyer hiring.
I will take missing a bowl game just to get Meyer.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 3:48 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I’m game. I am not in love with Urban’s style but there’s no doubt that it works for him at the highest level of college football when he can recruit bigtime talent (which he should be able to do).
If we’re going to do it this season, the earlier the better in my mind.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I think the Buckeyes need to survive this 1Q
PSU is on an emotional high right now. On the road, after all this craziness is passing. Bucks need to hang with them and wait for them to fade.
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
got burned by the wildcat yet again.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 3:46 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
We look like we are having a lot of trouble handing people off in zone coverage against these crossing routes and slants, etc.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
defense still week between line backers and defensive backs
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 3:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
need to find somebody who can rest the quarterback
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 4:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I thought Big Hank was getting some good pressure on that series. But they are just killing us with quicks underneath against zone or man. Hard to get pressure when the QB can hit a 3 step drop and fire the ball to someone who is open.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
how do teams keep falling for that draw.
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 4:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
penn state playing ohio state honestly. don’t know why
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 4:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
hey Luke
after a TO, best to make sure the play you’ve called is legal!
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
On the receiver closest to the screen- Posey I believe. He realized it and tried to move but it was too late
It’s like trying to tackle mist.
What if...
by Danieldelamaiz on Nov 19, 2011 4:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The playcalling hasn’t been especially horrible today, I don’t think. A few creative things, a PA pass called off of that speed option look, we just haven’t executed in the passing game.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
mental note
our defense still can’t tackle…
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
sigh how many yards after contact was in that drive?
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
Sabino should have made that play. He needed to. I can’t believe how slow he is out there.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
As much as we're harping on the D
This offensive line continues to be one of the most underachieving units in the country
This is the worst Ohio State defense I’ve seen. in 20 years. They have gotten worse throughout the year. They look like they have quit.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 4:31 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I just don’t understand the lack of improvement from week to week. With a few exceptions we seem to stay static or get worse while every other team improves. Miller has gotten better in some ways, Roby has improved at corner throughout the year, a few others, but overall its like they don’t hold practice during the week.
does Brewster have any idea what Miller is doing behind him?
It is like he doesn’t know what is going on.
Other teams are not dumb enough to fall for that wildcat garbage.
Finally a Jake Stoneburner sighting!
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 4:40 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Sweet!! Am I right in saying our leading receiver has 12 catches and Stoneburner has 7 TD catches? We really need to use him a lot more
If we had an offensive coordinator with a brain.
The tight end is a young quarterbacks safety valve.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 4:43 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Jim Bollman needs to leave
just… go somewhere else… Because that play call on 1st and goal was the worst in school history..
burned on the wildcat yet again.
All any team really has to do to beat us I’d throw bubble screens and run the wildcat.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 4:44 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
These safeties are playing like Brandon Meriweather..minus the h2h.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions
I still don’t know why we run a direct snap to the RB. Miller already prevents the threat of the run, so all we’re doing is trading the threat of the pass for one less hit on Braxton. We don’t gain an extra gap.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yikes, these linebackers are having a rough game. Shazier is all over the place, Sabino is slow, and Klein is merely average. Sweat’s injury has crumbled our run defense.
LB’s are not filling, not tackling, not getting off blocks. SS & FS are whiffing and taking bad angles.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Do you think he can play in the NFL? He is, frankly, amazing at OSU- keeps turning nothing into good plays. Would love to see him at the next level but he’s so small and doesn’t seem to be super fast
He is a slightly faster version of Ben Jarvis Green Ellis in the NFL. A starter on a good passing team.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think he will not be an early round pick, but every team could use him as a 3rd down type of back if he can protect. He’s pretty good at catching the ball, and he has very good vision. He’s not going to be all that fast in the NFL and he isn’t going to be all that big in the NFL, but I think he’s got enough speed and size to play.
Another situation where I think he could fit would be as the second back in a zone scheme. Those teams love backs who have good vision and don’t waste time getting downhill and fighting for a couple of yards after contact. I think Herron can do that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That’s why you don’t get the ball, everyone not named Boom Herron.
by Tyler T. on Nov 19, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
is this the same penn state that had difficulty putting away indiana. who’d of thought indiana’s defense is better than osu.
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Brown might have dropped that ball and then separated his shoulder.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I hate it when the ball hit you in the hands.
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 5:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The worst part about this year, maybe, is that we’ve seen no development in the younger players. Corey Brown still can’t catch, Jordan Hall appears to have regressed, Carlos Hyde can’t keep the ball off the turf, T.Y. Williams, Devon Smith, Evan Spencer, non-existent. A total lost year in offensive talent development.
How much are Smith and Spencer playing?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
True, and it’s sad. I feel like Spencer, Smith and Williams all can make contributions but they can’t do it when the playcalling is never to the receivers, nobody is coaching them up, and Miller hasn’t improved in his execution
the worst part is miller can’t hit the short passes
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
shazier may kill a man before the seasons over.
by rogerja on Nov 19, 2011 6:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sabino again with a poor pursuit angle.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Defense had a terrible first half, but they’ve done well in the second. We’re on pace for an average defensive performance, which is shocking after the first twenty minutes.
The rumors have Meyer retaining Stan Drayton Jr. I hope they aren’t true. He’s done nothing to show me that he can coach wide receivers.
Also, is Herbie going to coach for us?
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I’m calling it now- Miller pulls out a miracle last second TD, we miss the extra point, and we lose in OT
by cplunk on Nov 19, 2011 6:03 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
watching this game
is like being slowly suffocated
aka BuckeyedBear34
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
To have a Cannae you must have a Varo
-George Patton
I hate:
- our Offensive line
- Corey Brown
- Travis Howard in the end zone
- our front 7 against run blocking
- Carlos Hyde and Herron’s ball security
- everything about today
and JB Shugarts
with the fire and passion of a thousand suns
by Brutus89 on Nov 19, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good to see that he brought his A game for his mom to watch. Ugh. 3 whiffed blocks, a crucial false start.
Thanks for being completely useless for 4 years.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
2 different girls crying on tv.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Wisconsin wins by 50, just so I don’t have to hear idiotic media members build a narrative around the Penn State team “overcoming adversity” to achieve a great goal. Hearing that shit predicted last week when they played Nebraska was painful enough, but having it happen would be much worse.
by Tyler T. on Nov 19, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Jesus how awful is the big ten now.
Penn State is a dogsh*t team and they’re gonna go to the championship game.
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 19, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I hate Shugarts
Corey Brown’s drop was probably the most enraged I’ve been in a long time. Why they continue to put him out there when all he does is drop the rock is beyond me.
Devin Smith and Posey, that’s who should have be running the sidelines.
I feel badly for Miller
It sucks not having any support around you outside of Herron making a few nice runs on his own.
Looks like we were a yard short again this week.
Missed opportunity after missed opportunity.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 6:19 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Next week could be embarrassing with our linebackers. Seeing Sabino and Klein whiff on Robinson will hurt.
Please let this bowl season be lost to sanctions.
don’t make me watch the Little Ceaser’s Bowl.
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
That's a fair point.
Maybe they can announce the sanctions on the bus trip to Detroit?
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
Looked like 4 verticals again
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
So stupid. You can’t just send 4 receives deep, without any plan to attack coverages, and expect success.
I don’t mind it if you have some sort of built in comebacks on the outside, but there’s no way this offense can execute that. Why not just call something medium and to the sideline? Slot outs, some sort of flood or deep comeback, something to get closer?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
No, it was three routes all on the right side. Fields got caught up and couldn’t run his pattern and that meant everybody was jammed up since the routes were so close. Fairly sure the idea was to leave the left open for Miller to scramble (shocker)
Are you sure there was no WR to the bottom of the screen? I’ve never heard of 3 verticals being run as the only patterns on one side of the field.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Wasn’t three verticals- Fields was an in or a drag, but when he got caught up he blocked the out from one of the other guys
Why the hell do we send someone to the middle of the field in that situation?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
So you can’t just cheat intentionally and stop the clock
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
…no, it runs the clock for another 10 seconds. With 30 seconds left in the 4th down 6 on offense and facing a winding clock I would take an intentional false start and 5 yard loss to stop the clock every time.
If there aren’t rules like this, coaches would intentionally cheat and go against the “spirit of the game” all the time.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Adams got schooled on that play. Just pathetic.
We're all mad. I'm mad. You're mad. Otherwise, you wouldn't have come here.
Yes, let’s reward a school for allowing a child molester to run free by giving additional airtime to their coaches.
by Tyler T. on Nov 19, 2011 6:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
“He-llo all and welcome to the ‘Body Action’ Anal Glide Extra Desensitizer Bowl I’m your host…”
by jonnyphoenix on Nov 19, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
I am speechless
Not a smart or well coached football team.
by D-Day77 on Nov 19, 2011 6:28 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Why are you wearing TP on your head????
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 6:29 PM EST reply actions
You must have been missing Browns games lately ;)
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I actually haven’t been keeping with the Browns at all this season. What’s the consensus amongst the fans?
It’s pretty hard to watch sometimes. With Steinbach out our guards are not good at getting to the 2nd level on ZB plays (i’d say near 50% of our runs) and they pretty consistently miss assignments in pass pro. RT has been a revolving door, with Pashos the best when healthy but not above average,
Peyton Hillis = drama + injuries. And he’s our best skill player. Other backs are not able to run against a stacked box. Many of the WRs can’t separate against tight Man-1, and although the camera angle is too tight to say this with any consistency I’ve seen them run man routes vs. zone and vice versa.
Colt keeps me back and forth between “give him another year” and “we’ve got to draft a QB in the first ASAP.” One week he’ll throw great deep passes 55+ yards downfield, the next he won’t even set himself up to succeed pre-snap and he’s hitching 4 times before he tries to scramble. The ball doesn’t come out quick enough because NFL defenses do all that walking around and he is 2 seconds behind in his reads. Pressure means his footwork gets sloppy and he gets inaccurate.
Defense has been a pleasant surprise. Haden is developing really well and he’s only had one bad half against Brandon Lloyd. Ward had a compound dislocation of his pinky (i.e. bone broke through the skin) they popped it back in, and he kept playing.
D’Qwell Jackson is having a pro bowl caliber year. He’s still the fastest defender in terms of figuring out where the play is headed, but Jauron has turned him loose to run blitz A gaps when he smells run and he’s getting the “impact plays” that many criticized him for lacking in the 3-4. Same high tackle totals, many more stuffs and TFLs, sacks.
Rubin and Taylor are adjusting to the 4-3. Both are quicker and better at shooting gaps than I thought they’d be, but weaker holding the POA against double teams and clogging the middle than I thought (though I set that bar pretty high). Sheard has been getting pretty consistent pressure, while Mitchell, the OLBs, and the other secondary players are meh.
People have mostly hated Shurmur. We’ve “found ways to lose” and played sloppier than under Mangini, but we’ve also been a little more aggressive on offense. Special teams are way worse from last year. I like the offense that they want to run much more than Daboll’s but results are not all that much better. Apparently people hate Shurmur in press conferences. He tries to be more open with the media, but there’s always going to be coachspeak when there’s openness and people don’t seem to get that.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
People, this is our enemy:
He’s stupid, can’t run block or pass pro, and he loves to commit horrible penalties at crucial times.
did he false start in that pic too?
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Probably whiffed when trying to put on a condom.
by Revenge of the Fallen on Nov 19, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
That is finally, mercifully, the end of an era
Tresselball, and more recently, Bollmanball is out, Urban is in.
What we’ve seen this season cannot be considered Tresselball.
by Tyler T. on Nov 19, 2011 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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