Records Prove Thaddeus Gibson Paid for His Car
The Columbus Dispatch, following up on an investigation into used-car purchases by Ohio State football players, has determined that Thaddus Gibson did pay for the car he purchased from a Columbus-area dealership in 2007.
BMV records show that former linebacker Thaddeus Gibson paid $13,700 for a 2007 Chrysler 300C that he bought from former Jack Maxton salesman Aaron Kniffin in June 2007.
It was originally reported that the title to Gibson's car was listed as zero dollars. That title was shown to be an error of some sort, however, after the Dispatch requested an older form and discovered that Gibson payed for the car, as he stated in the original story.
The Dispatch offered a correction, too, for including Maurice Wells' mother in the report. Her car was not purchased from Kniffin, but Wells traded it to the dealership as part of the transaction for his car.
There is also further clarification on the number of athletes who purchased vehicles from the salesman connected to the two dealerships, Aaron Kniffin.
Ohio State and the BMV launched investigations last week after The Dispatch found that eight athletes and several athletes' relatives had purchased used cars from the same salesman when he worked at two different dealerships.
The Dispatch's investigation turned up eight players and some family members, but Kniffin claims that he sold more than four dozen cars to Ohio State players and family members of players between 2006 and 2009. It now appears that the investigation is focused on the precise relationship between Kniffin and the players, as well as possible discounts the players' received. The title deeds on certain cars indicate that players purchased them for below Kelly Blue Book value, causing Ohio State's compliance department to review the purchases.
Kniffin defended the purchase price on the cars, telling the Dispatch that the dealerships did not report the correct prices to the Ohio BMV.
The BMV is investigating because Kniffin said the purchase prices listed on transactions with OSU athletes and relatives do not reflect accurate sales prices, as required by Ohio law.
As it stands, I see this story ending in one of three ways, or some combination thereof. Either the players' received improper benefits in the form of lower purchase prices, or the benefits gained were not really the product of their status as athletes, but rather of a down economy and a tough time to be a used-car salesman. We still don't know how much lower the cars were sold below Blue Book value. Gibson's title price was the only included in the original report, and it's now irrelevant due to this latest revelation.
Of course, there's a third option that the BMV is investigating. The players may not have received any special benefit on their cars, and the dealerships may have inaccurately reported the purchase prices on title deeds to avoid higher taxes. The BMV will be very interested in the incorrect title deed for Gibson's car, and the dealership will need some answers.
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oh no. this might damper the recent resurgence of strength to the rivalry
by golfballs03 on May 11, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Another possibility, maybe part of 3
They could have gotten a low purchase price, but required a down payment (or trade-in) and gotten hosed on the interest. This is more or less standard practice for high-risk car loans.
Also, indications are it wasn’t a 300C, but a former rental base model. Possibly with some bling.
Or...
…the fact that majority of the cars under suspicion were actually sold over the Blue Book price will be considered.
Because we couldn't go for three.
by builderofcoalitions on May 11, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
Typical of today's media
To reinterate what i said when this whole thing came out, they were chasing a headline instead of doing their due diligence in finding out the facts first. Every national media ran with a condensed version of this irresponsible story for the whole world to see. A correction doesn’t cut it! The responsible “reporters” should be fired for such a reckless piece. Reporting 101 dictates that you make sure your facts are straight before publishing. The media will not clarify these rumors on the national level. Tabloid crap!
by biggy84 on May 12, 2011 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
They did have their facts in this case. It’s not like they went off unnamed sources. They had an actual title that listed the transaction at $0. I’d say they did find out the "facts" in this particular situation. It’s every journalist’s dream to go to print with an actual certified document like the one for this previous story. In this particular case, rush to create headlines aside, the reporting was not erroneous, just turned out to be not the whole story.
There are most definitely times when the media reports things erroneously without checking the facts. This wasn’t one of them. I can’t imagine a person on Earth that wouldn’t have considered a legal document showing a purchase price to be $0 a credible piece of evidence to use. The report was that a title was uncovered showing a purchase price of zero… that was not inaccurate. I’m sure one could argue fairly these investigative journalism pieces shouldn’t be run unless they are both asked and answered in full, but in this situation I don’t think the original report was terribly unfair since it actually used documents to go by rather than simply the many rumors that have persisted regarding OSU athletes and dealerships (and trust me, there are many out there).
Plus, to be perfectly honest… I don’t feel all this has blown over yet.
They also incorrectly identified purchasers. Did they consult with anyone who may have been able to explain trade-ins etc? I respect your opinion, but i disagree. I firmly, firmly believe that they wanted to get a big headline and didn’t fact check at all. In my opinion, one document isn’t sufficient to go to press, as you see. They printed a correction due to their lack of sound decision making. The national media picked this up and the damage is done.
I have lived in several large college towns and with my profession have gotten to see the inner workings that most others aren’t privvy to. I can tell you that the media was very careful to get their facts straight before going to press. The big boosters are the same who buy advertising, so they double check.
Lots of different things to factor in, vehicle traded value etc. You want their to be something sinister, so keep believing what you want. Your team still won’t be able to beat OSU regardless of what you and your ilk think. I don’t feel the need to creep on other’s team site to feel better about my team.
As I am sure a few here have brushed up their NCAA rulebook lately
any speculation on the punishment for the players (I doubt the university would get much), if they got cheap but not unreasonably so cars, but if they knowingly went along with lower values on their titles, saving everyone money on taxes?
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on May 16, 2011 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
We need specifics before we can speculate on the penalties. The Dispatch only released a figure for Gibson, which means that they are either working on a bigger story involving a large number of players, or they have nothing especially heinous. Hope for the latter, but do not be surprised if the former is true.
I mean like what may be best case, or delusional case scenario
and I am curious more as a curiosity/intellectual exercise kinda thing. They got good deals, but not obscene, and they were involved along with other regular customers in understating purchase prices. Would they skate or not? I can’t decide.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on May 17, 2011 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I know yall are more interested in facts
what can be proved etc., but I thought about this and got to thinking about (jokes about my needing something to do welcome). Questionable what rules they broke and how severely, but surely the NCAA would have to at least do something symbolic, but what exactly?
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on May 17, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
If they received deals that other customers did not, they absolutely would not skate. Ohio State could very well be hit with NCAA penalties if that’s the case.
If other customers received the same deals due to a poor time to be a used-car salesman, then that shouldn’t be an issue and Ohio State would be fine.
I see the black and white
(what you said), but you think that multiple players engaging in (the same) criminal activity (it is criminal even if it is everyday bs and am not using this word to demean said players), with someone that was being funnled said players business, and with the spotlight on both the Buckeye’s and the NCAA, that they would be interested in doing something? Surely they would at least demand some token punishment or restitution. As I said, I am sure few of you are interested in such arcane hypotheticals, unless someone has a desire to discuss I will respectfully let it die.
"Be polite to everyone you meet, but be prepared to kill anyone"-tc16cav
by otisnixon'sparty on May 17, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Fortunately (or not)
The NCAA doesn’t care about “criminal” activity, just violations of their rules…

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