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Jim Tressel Out As Ohio State Head Coach

The feared doomsday prophecies of the world ending didn't come to fruition last week. Unfortunately, for Ohio State football, it appears they have. 

In a surprising, yet somehow expected turn of events, the Columbus Dispatch first reported Monday morning that Jim Tressel has resigned his post as Ohio State head coach effective immediately. In a statement from the university, Luke Fickell will serve as interim head coach during the 2011 season, at which point a national search will then be conducted for Tressel's replacement.

This concludes a 10-year tenure for Tressel as OSU head coach--one that will be most remembered on the field for a 9-1 record against rival Michigan. Tressel was hired in January 2001 following the dismissal of John Cooper, who contrarily struggled against the Wolverines. 

It appears Tressel could no longer withstand the increasing pressure from the upcoming player suspensions served this fall by five football players, pending NCAA sanctions and a reported Sports Illustrated article set to unveil more allegations tomorrow. Stay tuned for more coverage.

The Ohio State University accepts resignation of Coach Tressel

Luke Fickell to serve as interim for 2011-2012

 

 

Columbus, OH – The Ohio State University announced today that it has accepted the resignation of Jim Tressel as head coach of its football program.  Luke Fickell will serve as interim head coach for the 2011-2012 football season.  Recruitment for a new head coach – which is expected to include external and internal candidates – will not commence until the conclusion of the 2011-2012 season.

 

"In consultation with the senior leadership of the Board of Trustees, I have been actively reviewing matters attendant to our football program, and I have accepted Coach Tressel’s resignation," said President E. Gordon Gee.  "The University’s enduring public purposes and its tradition of excellence continue to guide our actions."

 

Jim Tressel said, "After meeting with University officials, we agreed that it is in the best interest of Ohio State that I resign as head football coach.  The appreciation that Ellen and I have for the Buckeye Nation is immeasurable."

 

Athletics Director Gene Smith said, "We look forward to refocusing the football program on doing what we do best – representing this extraordinary University and its values on the field, in the classroom, and in life.  We look forward to supporting Luke Fickell in his role as our football coach.  We have full confidence in his ability to lead our football program."

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Thoughts from a non-Ohio State fan living here

Without opining on the gravity of the transgressions, I think Coach Tressel will be missed. As a resident of Central Ohio, I can say that until all of this hit the fan, he was a universally admired citizen of this community and a source of pride for the region (if not the state). He was exactly what the program AND the community needed after Coach Cooper was fired in 2001.

I’m sorry his run has ended, especially like this.

Keeping January 1 open. You know, just in case.

by Ohio Bear on May 30, 2011 9:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Sad

He made mistakes for sure, but this all stems from the actions of some selfish kids and it cost Tressel his career.

by T.P. Grant on May 30, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Don’t blame the players; sure, they made a mistake but Tressel is the adult and he shouldn’t have covered it up. It’s not the players’ fault that Tressel is in this mess. He has only himself to blame.

by Buckeye Brad on May 30, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is a myopic way of viewing this.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The players aren’t solely to blame, but it was there choice to break the rules that lead to this. I think they are partly responsible for what has transpired.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep. Both parties are at fault.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

More on Tressel, though.

Most schools will have players that would try to do this stuff. Most schools SHOULD have coaches who would not try to bury it.

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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is going to hurt the program for awhile no doubt, but (hopefully) we will bounce back. I may be in the minority, but in the long run… maybe this was best for the program. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not thrilled that he is gone at all. But Tressel said he would not consider leaving unless he felt it was best for the program. He obviously feels that way.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most schools SHOULD have coaches who would not try to bury it.

Ha. We’re talking about the world of NCAA sports here. Success is built on not getting caught, “bury.”

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have mixed emotions. I think, personally, that Tressel was truly a genuine, respectful person that cared about anyone and everyone he met. Having been able to interact with him many times professionally, it was clear to me that his personality was what you see is what you get.

That said, while all this happening at Ohio State has been going on for decades with or without Tressel, and would happen at any major university, I think he shares in some blame from the standpoint he could have avoided much of this by being out proactively in December about his knowledge. If he’d just said then he knew about this and kept quiet because of an ongoing legal investigation, I’m not sure we’d be at this point in time.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That's total BS

This is a witch-hunt Kyle. Do you really think that not forwarding an email is something that is worth him losing his job over?

This is simply another hack job by the media making a mountain out of a mole hill. And who is Deep Throat? So that dude “uncovered” that Tressel didn’t forward an email to Gene Smith and now it’s snowballed to him losing his job? Total BS, and there’s more to this than meets the eye. They want to get rid of Tres, its plain and simple.

Welcome back to the Cooper years Buckeye Nation. Our gutless administration has caved in to pressure from the outside world and we’ve lost the best coach in modern OSU history. We’ve had unprecedented success in the past 10 years. I fear that we’re gonna go down Michigan and Penn State style.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Our gutless administration has caved in to pressure from the outside world and we’ve lost the best coach in modern OSU history. We’ve had unprecedented success in the past 10 years. I fear that we’re gonna go down Michigan and Penn State style.

Damn strait. Recced.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

And your last sentence is EXACTLY why the administration should have backed Tres instead of throwing him out on the street like a heap of garbage!

That’s my entire point, is that the admin caved in on the number one coach in Buckeye history. The dude that only lost to M once in 10 years. The dude who had us in a BCS game EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

You don’t unceremoniously depose a great coach like that. In fact, we should take a page out of Michigan’s book by way of loyalty to a coach who has done so much for their program.

You just sound like a damned Michigan troll making it sound like all this is Tres’ fault and he brought it upon himself. That ain’t right KSL. This is a coup d’etat.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ohio State was a top-5 program before Tressel and will be long after Tressel. I admire the man; I admire his accomplishments. But let’s not corner ourselves into thinking any integrity should be compromised because he had them in the BCS game so often. That just seems like a narrow way of thinking.

It’s not Tressel’s fault that it happened, but he absolutely DID bring this on himself in the way it was handled. I’m sorry, but that’s the truth as much as it might sound like a MIchigan talking point. If he tells the truth in December, none of this stuff happens. Surely in your life you were taught to come clean and not make a problem worse by lying, right?

I happen to think Tressel partially fell on the OSU sword. I think the administration knew about this too, and so I don’t think Tressel is alone. If the AD or compliance did know, and Tressel went down on this alone, shame on them. But right is right and wrong is wrong. Tressel isn’t to blame for the violations, but he did lie about them and elect to not tell the NCAA. He got caught on it, and thereby deserves the punishment. Do the crime do the time.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t be a top-5 program in todays college football and maintain honest integrity.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Anyone who actually thinks it can be done is kidding themselves and has their head buried in the sand.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you can to some extent....

….but my only point is that we were NOT a top 5 program year in and year out before Tres got there.

Why did Cooper get fired? Oh yeah, he couldn’t beat Michigan. If you can’t win your conference, you’re not a top 5 team.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

He got fired because he couldn’t beat Michigan AND he lost control of his team. When players start filing law suits against each other it’s time to let the HC go.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrong dude.

He got fired for his record against Michigan.

He lost

EVERY

SINGLE

YEAR.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

AND THERE WAS NO END IN SIGHT, until the linemen started suing each other.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't the bowl record not help, either?

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by tricknole on May 30, 2011 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Michigan game trumped everything.

That was the primary reason.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait…this actually happened???

. When players start filing law suits against each other

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by NinjaZX6R on May 30, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You and me both never heard of it.

And it certainly isn’t the reason Cooper got fired.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 31, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you're condoning Tres getting fired!

That is completely absurd. And everything you’ve said suggests that you DO think he should be fired. How bout a suspension? How bout a fine? The punishment does NOT fit the crime. Period. And if he fell on the sword, then shame on him cause he’s the LAST dude that should have to fall on the sword. Who is Gene Smith? He’s a fart in the wind compared to Tressel.

Ohio State was a top-5 program before Tressel and will be long after Tressel

I got one statement for ya: 2-8-1 against Michigan for Cooper. We were NOT a top 5 program year in and year out when we can’t even win our own conference.

Surely in your life you were taught to come clean and not make a problem worse by lying, right?

I was also taught the importance of loyalty to those who are loyal to you. Somewhere, you and the administration missed this important lesson.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Death before dishonor.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a huge dishonor.

Not forwarding an email to Gene Smith.

People have been shot for less, right wulfie?

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He definitely fell on the sword for Gene Smith and co.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Walk away, right now.You have lost perspective, and have begun embarking on a Jyhad.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since when are All Americans 3rd string?

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

First off, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I don’t remember any mention of linemen suing one another, and it definitely didn’t have anything to do with Cooper getting fired.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

LeCharles Bentley filed a lawsuit against another player in Coopers last year, this was the last straw, and what the AD needed to can him.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was from an on field fight in the spring

Hardly the reason he got fired.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

LACK OF INSTATUTIONAL CONTROL

that is the grounds by which Ohio State fired Cooper. The lawsuit was the LAST STRAW.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

BULLSHIT!!!

TROLL!!!

If I thought you might know what you’re talking about, I might stick around to argue it.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not the one continuing a dead argument with several people at once.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pariah is not a troll.

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In Bill We Trust.

by NinjaZX6R on May 30, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Cooper still had several top-5 finishes including two No. 2 finishes. His Michigan record aside, the program was pretty good from 1993 to 1998. Now immediately preceding Tressel, it wasn’t a top-5 program, but historically, even during some of Cooper’s tenure, it absolutely was.

And do I think Tressel should have been fired (though to be technical, we don’t know that he was)? No. But I don’t think it was necessarily undeserving either. I think it’s very justifiable to do so, even if not the preferred course of action.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those must've been the two years he beat Michigan
John Cooper still had several top-5 finishes including two No. 2 finishes

How many national championships?

The program was a joke for being chokers every single year. We were legends in our own mind that could NOT beat Michigan. We were not the championship caliber team then that we are today.

Or excuse me, were yesterday.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good, I"ll take that as a victory.
And do I think Tressel should have been fired (though to be technical, we don’t know that he was)? No. But I don’t think it was necessarily undeserving either. I think it’s very justifiable to do so, even if not the preferred course of action.

After all, your post and your comments make it sound like you condone his firing / quitting. And we can’t have that :)

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do condone it. It’s not my preference and I don’t think it’s necessary, but again, if he told the truth, we wouldn’t be at this place.

He brought_it_on himself.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not my preference and I don’t think it’s necessary

Condone: to give tacit approval to.

You just said you do not condone it.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can approve of something without it being your preferred course of action.

I approve of it in a way that I don’t think it’s out of line. Therefore, I don’t think it’s an unfair approach. Doesn’t mean that I endorse it as being the best and most appropriate choice.

I’ll say it again: he lied. Like it or not, he would have been able to deflect blame against himself if he’d just come out and said he knew about it, but he didn’t say anything at the time because_____. If he does that, he’s still the coach and his reputation and legacy are saved.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, do you think he's been fired because:

A: he did not tell the NCAA about Pryor and Co. selling their stuff or

B: Because he didn’t admit it in December

Cause it seems to me like the answer is A. In that case, it didn’t have anything to do with him lying. It’s got more to do with the initial violation. That’s what I think is going on.

You agree?

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

More B than A.

There are a few things. It wasn’t just that he didn’t tell about the stuff originally, but he signed an NCAA affidavit this past fall certifying he knew nothing of NCAA violations. In affect, that’s lying to the NCAA something like 78 of 81 coaches that have been accused of, have been fired.

But I think he could have gotten past that if he’d come clean in December, because it wouldn’t have painted him as a liar and there wouldn’t have been so many reports coming out putting egg on his face.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still think we should have stood by him.

That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

Thanks for the joust KSL.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

also a great recruiter. Tons of talent translated well into the NFL during his era at OSU.

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by NinjaZX6R on May 30, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn't every other coach that lied about infractions lost their job (aside from one)?
The punishment does NOT fit the crime.

Whether you want to place the majority of blame on Tressel or not, you had to expect this.

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by tricknole on May 30, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aside from one

Should be two of them now.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you didn't expect this or think it possible?

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by tricknole on May 30, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't expect this

For the severity of the infraction.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You seem to have gotten something wrong here. You do realize that Woody would have had more National Championships had the administration not declined the Rose Bowl offer in the early ’60s right? That declining that offer lead to five years of shit recruiting classes, and nearly lost Woody his job? That as great as Tressels accomplishments have been, he still is NOT Woody?

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you were trying to say.

But that was before you had to win national championship on the field.

The truth is always the right answer....

by Pekka for Predator Pontiff on May 30, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

How convenient for the NCAA to let the 5 players perform in the Rose Bowl though, right? But no one wants to talk about that, this real problem goes a hell of a lot higher up.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sugar bowl not the Rose bowl.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, my mistake. 1 year off.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luke Fickell will take over, but I doubt it will be for more than a year. He is not qualified to be the head football coach at Ohio State.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I think it’s worth the wait for Urban Meyer to come back on the market. As long as we’re still beating Michigan.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is on the market, and I would be shocked if there were any other candidates.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Petersen is worth a look.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

No ties to the MIdwest, no relationship with Ohio high school coaches.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right away I knew Urban Meyer would be mentioned.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured he’d be mentioned when all this started against Tressel.

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by FlaGators on May 30, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that we have the year to figure it out, but no doubt, Luke Fickell is a strong, if not leading, candidate.

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by Ryan Kelsey on May 30, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fickell will not get the job. You can bank on that. He’s not even going to be a realistic candidate.

They’re simply not going to hire from within. You have a program that’s going to have mass perception issues of corruption and they will not retain a head coach that was a part of that — indirectly or otherwise.

Fickell won’t get the job. Mark my words on this.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve got absolutely no reason to trust Luke Fickell to be a top-5 Div. I college football coach. Maybe he’ll prove me wrong, but I doubt that.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that, but this seems to be a “clean house” situation.

I have a hard time we would fire/let him quit for off the field issues, then allow an assistant coach take over.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 30, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fickell is not a real candidate unless the administration caves and follows the Bill Stewart/West Virginia debacle. He has never even been a full coordinator at any level. As we’ve seen the past six months, there is more to the Ohio State job than just coaching football. He is not ready to handle it.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Sports Illustrated article

which is supposed to be posted sometime today (no later than tomorrow) is evidently the reason the resignation now. Perhaps it contains more damning information that we aren’t privy to yet.

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on May 30, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

George Dohrmann is taking credit. It is yet to be seen whether that is the case.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

True we'll see

but the timing is odd…early morning on a holiday…has to be some reason for the urgency for Tressel to “resign” now.

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on May 30, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. New information must have presented itself for this to take place.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

His twitter is quite braggy.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, that guy is redefining attention whore. I’d be skeptical of everything in that article based on this guy.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it you read them?

“Now I see why Tressel didn’t return my phone calls or emails.”

Tool.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not just twitter, his whole website is one big autofellatio of himself too. Gross.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

The viral marketing for this SI article is really working thanks to Twitter. It really seems like the perfect opportunity for the outlet to latch on to generate traffic. All the signs likely point to one huge disappointment for those expecting something ground breaking. That’s not stopping Sports Illustrated from taking advantage of the timing of the resignation or Dohrmann from stroking his massive ego.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gene Smith decided when this would take place. Because it is a holiday weekend, he believed it would minimize the impact and media coverage. Unfortunately, because it is a holiday weekend, only a handful of players were at the meeting where Tressel informed them of his resignation. The rest discovered the information through the media. What a horribly political move by Smith.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

And it should be said, if the rumors in the Dohrmann case are true, Gene Smith will not be keeping his job.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

And what's rumored in the Dohrmann article?

"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones

by cesarhernandez on May 30, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anything and everything.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have not seen what’s set to be said in the article, but my hunch from the get-go was that Tressel partially fell on Ohio State’s sword. I got the feeling Smith, or at leas the Ohio State athletic department/compliance knew about these incidents after they happened. It’s probably the same reason Smith didn’t allow Tressel to answer a question a few months ago when he was asked whether he forwarded the information along.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

The forwarding jitter appeared to be for Ted Sarniak, Pryor’s mentor. You could still be right, but I’m sure Smith and the administration did not receive notice by email. They could not cover that trail if they wanted with the media bloodhounds on their heels.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was my first reaction at the timing

Keeping January 1 open. You know, just in case.

by Ohio Bear on May 30, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ohio State player reactions, largely from Twitter. Stolen from Scout.com.

Stoneburner: Tress taught me life lessons and how to become a man. I will forever be grateful that I played for such a great man. He is irreplaceable.

Jon Thoma: Awful. He deserves so much more. I can’t stomach this right now. Love you Tress, and thank you for everything.


Carlos Hyde: 14-0 sounds good to me doin it for tress

Chimdi Chekwa: We just lost a great coach nd a great person. Its a sad day for a former player. Tress gave me more than an opportunity he gave me a roadmap

Adam Griffin: People hate to see winning. They hate success and that’s what tress was… Successful

Donald Washington: I would love to be suiting up for the #bucks with all the bs going on I gotta feeling the Buckeyes are gon beuntamed this fall

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Travis Howard is quite poetic.

part of you has grown in me. And so you see, it’s you and me together forever and never apart, maybe in distance, but never in heart

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

This one is sad.


Former tight end Jake Ballard: Jim Tressel is one of the best human beings I have ever met. All he ever did was care and help people. #BuckeyeNation lost a great coach!!

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this guy.


J_Ballard86 Jake ballard
@linnietay I haven’t even turned on espn just will piss me off… Such bs.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce came within a half of wining a MNC for Woody, could Fickle do the same or better for Tressel?

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teedy Greenstein from the Chicago Tribune tweeted:

I’m told that Tressel told his coaching colleagues during BT meetings in Chicago: "They (the NCAA) have my head on a platt

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

The 2012 recruiting class may be the most pathetic in Ohio State history.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

And thats my point

This just isn’t good all around for the Big Ten.
I’m sorry guys I’ll leave you be.

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on May 30, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

This is great for the Big Ten and Michigan. It’s the only way they’ll take this conference back from the program that has run it the past decade.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

No not like this

This is horrible! this stains everything, and as you posted about recruiting this is going to weaken the match up not strengthen it.
I want a battle of Titans !
I now over on the Michigan blogs they are all giddy, not me I find no joy in this, the joy comes from winning on the field!

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on May 30, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fear not, Darth. Ohio State will take a short bump, but Urban Meyer will be in place after next season to resurrect the battle of the Titans lol

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

OSU dominance, and a fall like this,

were not good for the Big Ten. Particularly (and I’m not saying this to kick dirt in anyone’s face), with OSU’s rep for losing the BCS title game more often than not.

If OSU is forced to play (and recruit) by the rules, I think that will allow the Wisconsins, PSUs, MSUs, (and hopefully Iowas) of the world to become more competitive with them, and I see that as good for the Big Ten. It may mean less shots at the Crystal Football, but those are a bit few and far between at this point, anyway.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you really think Ohio State was beating up on the Big Ten because they weren’t playing by the rules? Do you believe that was the primary reason?

And if you believe that, do you believe that this stuff isn’t happening at Wisconsin, Penn State, Iowa, Michigan State, etc.? You don’t think overzealous boosters are giving benefits to athletes there too?

Don’t kid yourself though… the Big Ten needs more good teams, not fewer dominant teams. They don’t need Ohio State to come back to the pack, they need Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan and others to join them at the top. A conference of mediocre teams is worse than a conference of mediocrity with one dominant team.

Still, I think people are in a sad state of denial if they think this situation is unique to Ohio State. Today it’s Ohio State, but tomorrow it very easily could be anyone. Because frankly, this was more an indictment on the state of affairs in college athletics than it is a testament to Ohio State being dirty.

by KyleSLamb on May 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t let the Iowa troll get to you.

I agree on the last part though. The NCAA let Cam Newton pay-for-play and launder the money through his father for a better National Championship. Now they’re looking to appear “hard on infractions” in the public eye by coming down on the best, most prominent collegiate program ever.

If they really cracked down on and enforced their rules to a T then ever major program would be going down. The system is kind of a sham and that’s finally becoming apparent.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they really cracked down on and enforced their rules to a T then ever major program would be going down. The system is kind of a sham and that’s finally becoming apparent.

Yep. Of course, the OSU haters aren’t going to say that.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time will catch up to them!




I’m just glad that’s over !

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on May 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aren’t they still looking into Auburn, and their various recruiting violations?

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forgive me if I'm seeming like a troll.

And while I hope it is not going on at Iowa, PSU, other places, I fear it sometimes is.

Yet, I doubt it is going on at Iowa to the same degree as at OSU. And, if university officials find out about it, I feel confident they would report it. We did so with a stupid instance recently when some basketball recruits were at a football game and met “celebrities” Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore.

Personally, I believe OSU has been at least slightly dirty for years in football and mens’ hoops. Tressel had dirt on him before he even got to OSU. I think they’ve gotten away with it in football more often than not.

The argument of “everybody does it” really doesn’t sound good or helpful. Also, I absolutely agree that the NCAA is usually ineffective, but as we all know, the one thing they don’t tolerate is being lied to. And with Tressel, they had the e-mails to prove it.

Finally, I would argue there have been some times when other big ten teams have been up to par with OSU: Wisconsin this past year, perhaps Iowa in 2002, PSU in 2005 and 2008, maybe Michigan in 2003. We are at the point where, only two possible teams can “join OSU at the top” because of overtime rules. I really doubt we’ll ever have another 4-team tie at the top of the conference, (like 1990).

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet, I doubt it is going on at Iowa to the same degree as at OSU. And, if university officials find out about it, I feel confident they would report it.

If you ever want your Hawkeyes to be a successful college football program, you better hope the don’t.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said it before at the Iowa blog, BHGP,

that I’d rather never get a shot at a national title, and only occasionally (once every 5 or 10 years) get a shot at a Big Ten title, in a clean manner. If we have to stoop to the Auburn level, I’d prefer not to. Is there any real college football fan that isn’t an Auburn grad, who thinks their title is legit?

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Given the current state of affairs, it’s as legit a title as they come nowadays.

I used to have an strikingly similar attitude on this matter as you do, rather losing clean than winning dirty. That all changed when I woke up this morning. The system is screwed up all the way to the core. Unless someone revolutionary is going to clean it, from the top down, starting with the National Collegiate Athletic Association’s Executive Committee. That will never happen, so the only thing left to root for is hoping your school can hide it better than the rest of them.

That was shown to me today.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's called principle.

You’re supposed to keep it in mind even if the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The system has no principles. If the NCAA has shown anything, it’s that only the best of cheaters win. The lesson, find way to do it better. They’ve created the culture of “If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” and the culture of “it’s only cheating if you get caught.” They’ve created the system that embraces those attitudes.

They’ll support your cheating as long as you have a Cecil Newton-type patsy so they can keep their public image and maintain television ratings.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because others are willing to stoop to such lows does not mean that we should as well. I believe that this is what Chazz is trying to say.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t be a top-5 program without stooping. Not with this NCAA.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it worth being a Top-5 program if it means selling your soul?

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What souls? There aren’t any (figurative) souls left in this system. If you don’t think every top-5 team of past however many years in this modern BCS era isn’t committing fractions on daily basis than you’re kidding yourself.

Why wouldn’t they? It’s the culture of college football, and it starts at the top, with the NCAA. If someone really wants to clean it up, they better start at the top, right there.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your strength and conditioning coach almost killed a group of athletes. He was then rewarded with an honor from Kirk Ferentz.

I think the self-righteousness should probably stop.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was bad,

but at least they were working out too hard. I’d like to make a tattoo or pawn shop joke right now, but I’ll refrain.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We aren't SMU or Auburn or USC.

Our players selling their belongings to pay for rent—while against NCAA rules—gave us no competitive advantage. We weren’t paying kids to some here who otherwise wouldn’t.

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

*come, not some

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 30, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This reeks of poorly disguised low-brow trolling.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I smelled it too.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

TT

I don’t think you know what a troll is!
However I stand by what I said, and I don’t hit and run, a troll never does.

it's not that you are stupid, it's just that you don't suspect!
Nothing is good nor bad until compared to something else.

by Darth Prophet on May 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you need to reread your statement and think about what you’re saying.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Already a name in the rumor mill other than Urban Meyer's

Jon Gruden

That name isn’t a shock, of course. Gruden will be linked to many big-time coaching openings, in college and the pros. But over the past few months, and before Tressel was kicked out on his ass, Gruden told more than a few people he was antsy and desired a return to coaching. One assistant told me Gruden hasn’t been shy about it, either. Indeed, Gruden and Ohio State would be a perfect fit (though Urban Meyer might even be more perfect). Expect the usual Gruden denial to the Ohio State speculation but don’t believe it for a second. Repeat: don’t believe it. He’d listen and take it if offered. And Gruden coaching at Ohio State in 2012 would be perfect timing.

Keeping January 1 open. You know, just in case.

by Ohio Bear on May 30, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

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by NinjaZX6R on May 30, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting

But remember, the only reason he even thought about taking the Miami job was so his brother could be head coach in 2-3 years.

by rogerja on May 31, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think the guy is a college-type coach?

I’m a Bucs’ fan and I thought he was kind of lousy in Tampa Bay outside of winning the Super Bowl his first season there with Dungy’s team. And he couldn’t draft or develop a quarterback to save his life (job). I had the same thoughts months ago when Miami was positive they had him locked up.

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by tricknole on May 31, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is all rumor.

by Tyler T. on May 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

in my opinion pryor is about as dumb as lebron

he is a team leader and he went through with such a stupid selfish act and led the other star players to do the same, in the end costing one ohio state one of its greatest coaches and Tressel his career. he should have been cut from the team

Lets gooo Maryland

by Terrapin13 on May 30, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You know he was a freshman when he sold his stuff right?

"What do we have here?"
"We're going to Saint Croix."
"We are? Oh, goody. I'm so happy."
"Well, I hope you're happy for us, because it's just Carrie and me."
"I see. Once again I humiliate myself by assuming that I'm a member of this family."
-Arthur and Doug, bantering about the Heffernan's vacation plans

by Jon Ross on May 30, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tressel could have avoided this

by just telling the truth… that is what doomed him… not Pryor selling his stuff!

Boiler Up! Hammer Down!

by JuJuan some Moore? on May 30, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw this on Yahoo and literally shouted, “HOLY CRAP!”

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

But I’m not shocked. Surprised, but not absolutely shocked. It’s sad.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad day

Regardless of his violating silly NCAA rules, Coach Tressel was a great ambassador for OSU. He is one of us and understood Buckeye Nation! Sometimes great people do silly things. I will always appreciate what he did for my beloved Buckeye’s!

by biggy84 on May 30, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Why O why

didn’t he take the first email right over to Gene Smith and let him deal with it?

Paul

by pmeisel on May 30, 2011 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I look at it as being along the same lines as Osborne with Philips. He saw the word “drugs” and freaked out, worrying that he might lose these kids.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll be interesting to see the response when these players return.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

And if I’m one of them, I’m feeling like crap right now.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

More importantly, how the other players will “welcome” them back.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate ESPN.

“Let’s look at the recent sports struggles in Ohio!” and they mention LeBron, the Indians losing 4/5, etc. Wow.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

We have the best team in baseball. I won’t let a shabby sports talk channel crap on that.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I know. It’s just irritating.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best team in baseball :)

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thirded!

Nice to see you someplace else emily522.

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by FlaGators on May 30, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

FTFY

Everyone in Ohio the Big Ten hates ESPN.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure everyone hates ESPN. Except for maybe ESPN.

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by FlaGators on May 30, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boston fans, NY fans, Steelers fans…

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh. Good point.

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by FlaGators on May 30, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Count me in too!

Hearing Mark May and Herbie spouting about morals is hilarious! Guess who coached May at Pitt? Jackie Sherril! Guess who’s tenure ended up on probation…. May’s! Herbie? Give me a break. I dispise espn and their phony team!

by biggy84 on May 30, 2011 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Sherril is a walking violation. No doubt about it.

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by FlaGators on May 31, 2011 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. That was bad.

But you’ll see more of that crap in the future. The Deadspin-ining of sports media has begun, and I don’t see that train stopping soon.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deadspin is less biased the 100% of the major sports media.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read it on a nearly daily basis,

but the snark can overwhelm the “objectivity” at times.

And every single one of those writers has and at least sometimes allows their bias to show. They are not the democratic watchdog of sports they want people to think they are.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read it because it’s often very funny, definitely not because I think they’re “the democratic watchdog of sports.”

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Over on EDSBS a commenter stated that the peeps on deadspin are just there to hate. It doesn’t matter what the subject is, they’re there to hate whatever it is and what it’s about. Sadly, this confirms what I’ve seen over there.

In the name of the Woody, the Bo, and the Mustache Ride. Amen.

by Pariahwulfen on May 30, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

With the coming sanctions, there will have to be an extremely long leash for the new hire, otherwise nobody will take it just to be fired due to circumstances beyond his control.

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by Bud Elliott on May 30, 2011 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt the sanctions will be systemic after this, unless more allegations are unearthed. This was Ohio State saving itself by jettisoning Jim Tressel.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I see it as a massive compliance failure and not just a JT failure. I guess we will see.

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by Bud Elliott on May 30, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The NCAA would need to release a new notice of allegations, and that would be the signal that something worse is coming. Unless that happens, there’s no reason to think that Ohio State is in danger as an institution.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we already went over this and it was determined that was incorrect or a mere formality, no? I trust you on this.

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by Bud Elliott on May 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sick of wearing the rose colored glasses.

The system is a joke. The kids make the National Collegiate Athletic Association millions upon millions, but according to the rulebooks, deserving virtually nothing in return. Obviously, in this bury out heads in the sand culture of college football they created, violations (of rules that are questionable to begin with) are going to a trade off for success.

The real corruption is with the Association but none of the media outlets want to talk about that.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

They do get free education, books, room and board, and a stipend I think.

If anyone knows what the stipend is, hollaback.

I’m not in favor of starting a salary-war between alleged “educational institutions” over kids in their late teens and early twenties.

We will become more intensity!!! --What Reading Rambler thinks Tom Brands should do.

by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the NCAA is left profiting billions on the backs of unpaid athletes.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

they do get paid, in scholarships

but those scholarships should be increase and guaranteed for 4-years for sure.

by T.P. Grant on May 30, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

These guys are selling their rings to pay the rent. It’s not just happening here, we’re just the only one under the microscope.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly, the problem runs a lot deeper.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do get free education, books, room and board, and a stipend I think.
If anyone knows what the stipend is, hollaback.

they get a set amount towards tuition, books and room and board. An athletic scholarship no longer covers it all and student-athletes are left to pick up the difference. I was a student-athlete at OSU and I can tell you that athletes with ‘full rides’ had to do a lot of things to make ends meet.

There were literally Olympic athletes who got maybe 4-5 hours of sleep a day because they would practice and go to class during the day and then work graveyard shifts because their scholarship didn’t even come close to covering tuition and rent.

Stipends are when they travel, the athletes are given a set amount of money to feed themselves with when they are away competing.

by T.P. Grant on May 30, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

What percentage of tuition/books/room/board do you think the typical football player receives?

And do out of state players get the same percentage of it paid as in state or do both in and out of state players just receive the same lump sum?

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by tricknole on May 30, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

the size of scholarships is set to one sum

they can be divided up among several athletes getting ‘partial rides’

by T.P. Grant on May 30, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you can divvy up scholarships for other sports like baseball, but football?

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by tricknole on May 30, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

football doesn't need to

they have enough scholarships to field three strings

by T.P. Grant on May 30, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, 85 vs like 11.7 for baseball.

But you said athletes don’t get room and board, tuition and books 100% covered. What percentage do football players get if it’s not 100% covered?

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by tricknole on May 30, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was a walk on in a sport without a lot of scholarships

but all the full scholarship athletes on my team at OSU needed to work jobs, take out loans or get help from their families. I don’t know the exact $ amounts for each sport, but I can tell you that every scholarship athlete I knew said their scholarship didn’t cover basic things.

Here is a quote from a 2008 New York Times article on Athletic Scholarships:

Excluding the glamour sports of football and basketball, the average N.C.A.A. athletic scholarship is nowhere near a full ride, amounting to $8,707. In sports like baseball or track and field, the number is routinely as low as $2,000. Even when football and basketball are included, the average is $10,409. Tuition and room and board for N.C.A.A. institutions often cost between $20,000 and $50,000 a year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/sports/10scholarships.html

I mean you can do the math, price of college has gone up in the last 10 years, scholarships have not.

by T.P. Grant on May 30, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question for everyone: Are you all completely shocked by this? Or did you see it coming? I’d say I’m in the middle of it.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I was very shocked. It’s honestly changed my opinion of given me a realization about the state of college football as a whole. The system is incredibly broken.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

With me, I didn’t think he’s resign, but I wasn’t going to be shocked if he did.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

When all this went down, I fully expected JT to never coach at OSU again.

It’s sad that one mistake cost him, but he knew better.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 30, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

When all this went down

Several different things went down at different times. Just out of curiosity, when are you referring to?

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

When we learned he lied.

You don’t lie to the NCAA. They drop hammers for that.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 30, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless you have a plan for saving their public image, i.e. Cecil Newton.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cecil wasn’t the HC.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 30, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No but he was a patsy. The NCAA needs you to have a goat, a plan to save face.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lies and paper trail

The paper trail did him in. There’s plausible deniability without the paper trail.

by rogerja on May 31, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

curious

How do you “know” what coach sent to Sarniak? Coach contacted a FBI agent too. The media would have you believe that it was about this case. It wasn’t.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tthe email

OSU provided the initial email that Tressel forwarded to Sarniak. OSU is fighting giving the rest (apparently there are a dozen or more) under the guise of protecting student records.

by rogerja on May 31, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deep down I felt like it was inevitable that he was going to resign or be let go. I hoped otherwise though.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’re showing Ray Small on OTL. Idiot. He did say that Tressel and his teammates didn’t know about that.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

The Michigan player tweets make me laugh. Dumb.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, everybody does kill you, kill me.

So maybe its society’s fault.

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by WaterlooChazz on May 30, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not much to take from that.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Warren Ball says he talked to Paul Haynes today and remains committed. Bri’onte Dunn wants to see who the next coach will be. Expect to lose him.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Gene Smith said it will be Luke Fickell.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is the interim head coach for one season.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. I assumed that means we won’t be naming a permanent coach until at least after this upcoming season.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

And we should expect to lose Bri’onte Dunn and a number of uncommitted recruits if Smith waits that long. That is, if Smith is still around.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan Diggs and many of the other out of state recruits are upset. It’s obvious they will not be Buckeyes unless a new, permanent coach is announced quickly.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

You won't get

a big name coach until after the NCAA hands down its ruling.

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by Bama Hawkeye on May 30, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

While many of Ohio State’s verbal commitments have re-affirmed their pledges this morning, the news may not be as good for the undecided prospects that the Buckeyes are pursuing. One of the top uncommitted prospects in Ohio is Cincinnati Taft wide receiver Dwayne Stanford.

From rivals

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would expect both Stanford and his teammate, Adolphus Washington, to sign with either Alabama or Michigan now.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, here is where the Sports Illustrated situation stands.

- The article will be released this afternoon or tonight.

- Dohrmann is taking credit for Tressel’s resignation on Twitter.

- Dohrmann is a talented writer who has experience with investigative pieces.

- Dohrmann is also a self-aggrandizing knob who spends as much time promoting himself as writing.

-Gordon Gee has denied Dohrmann’s claim and says Tressel’s decision was independent of any media scrutiny.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Ok, here is where the Sports Illustrated situation stands.

It’s a one big media hype to generate traffic, I’ve seen this movie before, I can guarantee a lackluster ending.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

People not affiliated with SI are saying it is big. We shall see.

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by Bud Elliott on May 30, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course they are, it’s viral marketing, that’s how it works.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

A bit silly to say there’s nothing in it and just dismiss it as viral marketing, no?

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by Bud Elliott on May 30, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said it’ll be lackluster, I never said that “there’s nothing in it.” But no, I don’t think it’s silly to dismiss the ridiculous world-ending type of hype as viral marketing because that’s exactly what it is. More times that not, over-hyping, while more profitable, still results in a lackluster conclusion.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to get this off my chest

and am approaching this situation with a glass half full attitude.
I think this was best. Listen, Ohio State needs to retain its label of integrity within the program. There’s a reason Woody was gone half a second after that Clemson game. We took Tressel’s beating Michigan every season for granted and that remains an uncompetitive rivalry now. With Hoke, hopefully some respectability returns to Ann Arbor. However, Tressel’s departure, in my opinion, will not strike as big a blow to the program’s ability to recruit/compete in the short run as many might believe. The vest was an iconic figure, of course, we all will forever recognize this (he was my generations Woody, I love him). But I do not have a fear of the next hire being the botch that say a Rodriguez was up north.
The Urban Meyer rumors, ok, I’m listening. But until that happens, rumors are nothing in this business where something doesn’t break until it really does break. In all honesty, I expect this team to still grab 8-9 wins in the regular season, this roster is THAT deep. I hate seeing Tress go out this way, but I think many within Buckeye Nation may feel this bittersweet as they view it as an opportunity to bring someone in who can give us that same level of dominance in inter-conference play, but now extend that to the postseason and not misuse players talents positionally.
I for one would like to nominate Jim Heacock, as long as he continues to exercise his defensive responsibilities.

by Dammit Cerrato... on May 30, 2011 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Love JT. I like what he brought to OSU.

But when the chips fall, this had to be done, and it should have been done awhile back. He broke the rule of the asinine NCAA. Whether we agree with it, Tress knew the rules and chose not to obey them. No matter why he did it, he has to pay the price.

This is the first step of moving past this horrible off-season.

I wouldn’t allow the rest of the Tat5 to play, or anyone else who violated rules. Fire Tress and fire G. Smith. Throw yourself in front of the NCAA and hope for the best. From the sound of it, there are going to some players that may never wear S&G as well (stealing from the WHAC?).

Clean the house, take the punishment, then hire the best HC available to keep us at the top. I assume that will be Urban Meyer.

by Bernie19Kosar on May 30, 2011 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed and well said.

by emily522 on May 30, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

He broke the rule of the asinine NCAA. Whether we agree with it, Tress knew the rules and chose not to obey them. No matter why he did it, he has to pay the price.

Until someone is willing to take these thugs (NCAA) head on, I’m just going to hope we cheat better next time.

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by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I mentioned before, I’m sick of beating around the bush, seeing college sports through rose-colored glasses. Today was a very rude awakening.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 30, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sad Day for O State

This is truly a sad day for Ohio State and the Ohio State Community. Not only did we lose a good coach we also lost a good man and asset to the community. While it doesn’t surprise me that a few young men decided to enrich themselves at the risk of losing scholarships and respectability,I too believe that many of us have turned a blind eye for a long time. There are consequences for every action. Jim Tressel YOU WILL BE MISSED!!!

by Davidfour20 on May 30, 2011 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

And so we say now Hang on Buckeyes Buckeyes hang on

I am going to miss Jim Tressel.

by sdysart on May 30, 2011 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

It blows me away

The media continues to bring up past players getting into trouble while ignoring the fact that these players were disciplined. How many coaches would have kicked Clarette off the team? The players were punished! That’s not running a corrupt program! The media calls him unethical for not telling the ncaa about a stupid rule violation, big f’ng deal! His “crime” was that he lied to the ncaa. Again, big deal! How many people would run to their boss if a co-worker was 2 minutes late? It’s rediculous that not telling “daddy” a bs foul is considered sooo bad. And then, people come on here and say that he deserved his fate for “lying.” Again, give me a break!!!!!!!!!

by biggy84 on May 30, 2011 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Very smart observation. There is a difference between the two troll.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Urban Meyer’s official statement.

“I am committed to ESPN and will not pursue any coaching opportunities this fall. I have thoroughly enjoyed working with the people at ESPN this spring and remain very excited about my role with the network this fall.

Jim Tressel has been a respected friend and colleague for a long time. I wish Jim and his family the very best now and in the future."

Tressel and Meyer are closer than many think. This could be an issue if Ohio State wants him and he has attractive alternatives next season.

by Tyler T. on May 30, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

The statement is not dismissive of our opening after the season.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 31, 2011 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

As a "[]_[]" fan (who isn't delusional)....

I wish you guys the best and look for another coach who can continue to keep the tradition of winning for TOSU just like Tressel. The situation was unfortunate, however it was time to move on from this ugly incident as a fan of college football!

I just hope Al Golden can be as consistent as Tressel (with a 84% winning record) was on the gridiron..All the best!

by Big Spoon on May 31, 2011 5:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Ahem. No apologies necessary. But I wasn’t trolling when I posted on this from the beginning. Just my observations. Turned out not to be as wrong as some thought.

With that said, I think this entire situation spun out of control, and it’s terribly unfortunate it came to this end. But a program like OSU will endure and fans should look forward to what a new coach will bring to Columbus – they’ll find a good one too.

by golfballs03 on May 31, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

If more information did not come to light, I can assure you that Jim Tressel would have been fine. The program did not even flinch in their support of him at the press conference. This was a recent decision.

by Tyler T. on May 31, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He lost the trustees and boosters

When, exactly he lost it, I don’t know. Gee had a"special committee" recommend that he fire Tressel before the SI piece came out.

those folks that work around the country and donate $$$ to the univesity/program have become sick of hearing about the football program.

by rogerja on May 31, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He lost it this weekend. It’s not that hard to pinpoint.

by Tyler T. on May 31, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Officially, yes

But the report was issued prior to this weekend.

by rogerja on May 31, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough

I just don’t want anyone to think I was trolling around here. Living in Columbus, I have an interest in OSU and the parallels between what UT and OSU are going through make me compelled to post.

by golfballs03 on May 31, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bruce Feldman actually talks about how can’t maintain a perennial powerhouse without committing violations, how if the NCAA really wanted to fix this they’d have to undertake a complete overhaul, changes in the rulebook.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 31, 2011 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Good job! Glad someone is pointing out the dumb ncaa rules instead of the feasibilty of actually being able to abide by them.

by biggy84 on May 31, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s the real issue, it should be the focal point, but of course it isn’t. It was nice to hear it at least mentioned. It’s a shame that no real change will come of it.

"I want my unwarranted optimism back." -Dilbert

by Simmsinns on May 31, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

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